One of the agents who had my 50 pages got back to me.


Thanks for this info and the opening chapters. I admired your writing talent, although I don't think the book is marketable in the terms any of the large commercial publishers would require.

It's not really my place to offer literary criticism at this juncture (nor would I be able to devote sufficient time to describe my reservations in detail) but I did think the plot is too slow in developing, with almost too *much* character development. Your central 'hero' is so anti-heroic I think he would instantly alienate many if not most readers! And the novel takes an early turn towards what is practically hardcore pornography, which may please a proportion of your readership, but again I believe will alienate many others.

Sorry to be writing with disappointing news. As I said, I think you're a talented writer, and I'd be interested to see other new work from you in the future.

I don't know. Maybe he's pretty much 100% right, and I should put Mad World back in the drawer for now and focus on something else.

Like that romance that I hammered out 7500 words of yesterday.

From: [identity profile] ryca.livejournal.com


It mostly just sounds like he doesn't understand your demographic... And he acknowledged that you have talent! Not having read it, I can't offer any feedback, but what he said sounded at least somewhat constructive. Take heart - the right publisher will love it.

From: [identity profile] pepperlandgirl4.livejournal.com


Yeah...you're right. Just gotta back in the saddle again.

From: (Anonymous)


I would buy it too.
I think the beauty of the novel resides in the nature of the characters.
The sex is the way they comunicate, s mny other people.
Love your writting Pepper.
Laura, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

From: [identity profile] aurora-north.livejournal.com


Hi...
So I'm offering unsolicited advice here ;)

To me it sounds like you submitted to the wrong agent.

Mad World is not a book for everyone. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a wonderful story, however it is not suited for all audiences and some people are going to hate it. For it subject material and its strong sexual content. Anyway... Back to the point.

I'm a Norwegian so I won’t pretend to know who's who in the American publishing world. However I would try to find an agent who was more into your style of writing.

Find books that resemble Mad World in subject material and sexual content and find out who was the agent for those writers. Check out the publishers of those books, maybe the accept submissions directly from writers.

You probably knew this... Anyway, Good Luck

From: [identity profile] pepperlandgirl4.livejournal.com


You're absolutely right. I will accept responisiblity for not doing research as carefully as I should have. I think that once I get all the responses back from the latest round of queries, I will do what I should have done already, and research more carefully.

From: [identity profile] willshenilshe.livejournal.com


This is just me... but I'm going to say, why don't you try submitting it to an online publisher? There are lots of them, producing high-quality work, and I can link you up to literally a dozen or more. Mad World is splendid writing. Most of us in the e-publishing field (and I'm saying this after talking with company owners and editors-in-chief) believe that NY publishers and agents are far too selective and focused on "the next best seller", ignoring things they don't think will catch like wildfire - when those books could sell quite well and turn a nice profit. NY is snobbish, in other words - harsh, but true. Seriously, I recommend an e-publisher. Contact me at willshenillshe@gmail.com and I'll get you set up with a goodly stack of URLs where you can investigate publishing requirements and such.

From: [identity profile] pepperlandgirl4.livejournal.com


Actually, I have some experience with an e-publisher. The problem is, I don't believe that Mad World is erotica, and I'm not sure if I could find an e-publisher that is large and successful enough that doesn't focus in erotica. Oh sure, there's a lot of sex, but really, by the fourth (final) draft, I changed the point of it--it wasn't meant to get people off. I don't know. I think either way I will investigate e-publishing more.

From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jealousy_/


almost too *much* character development

Ok, that is just the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Obviously this came from a man because a woman never even believe such a thing was possible. Also, the plot is not too slow in developing, he just doesn't realize what the plot is. He's looking at the investigation and the various other action-oriented aspects of the story as the main plot when really that's just context for the development of the relationship between Jason and Daisy. The stuff about the subject matter alienating a certain proportion of the potential readership, well, you knew that. Obviously this isn't a story everyone's going to be able to get into. But there certainly is a market for it, it's just not the mainstream market.

The main thing I would suggest is to go to female agents with this particular story. Most men just don't get that women do have a dark side and that we can enjoy violence and aggression just as much as a gentle romance.

From: [identity profile] pepperlandgirl4.livejournal.com


He's looking at the investigation and the various other action-oriented aspects of the story as the main plot when really that's just context for the development of the relationship between Jason and Daisy.

I think this is partially my fault. The query paragraph I sent him focused more on the plot he's looking for, and less on the "real" plot as it were. I think I will have to go back to the drawing board with the query and start from scratch, changing the focus and making it more about Jason and Daisy's relationship.
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From: [personal profile] fishsanwitt


You are extraordinarily talented. I've read a lot of your stories as well as your posts.

I think he has some valid points, but I also think you need to find the right niche for this story and this guy isn't it.

Good luck!

From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/mazal_/

niche publisher


I'm gonna pretty much agree with everything the previous gals said. You're not writing for the average Joe (or Jill) on the street, and you probably wouldn't want to anyway. What you need is a niche publisher -- one that can handle dark themes, erotica and so on. So focus on small presses; you probably don't even need an agent to get to many of them.

From: [identity profile] redqueen6238.livejournal.com


Actually...I think that doesn't sound too bad. I mean, tons of writers don't even get responses from submissions. And he said he'd be interested to see other work from you in the future. That's a good sign too. I think other people are probably right that he wasn't the right person for this piece...but maybe you have something a little more conventional you could send him.

But don't be depressed. I think this is encouraging.

Plus, once we win the lottery and move to Italy it won't matter anymore! Mwahahaha

From: [identity profile] scribll.livejournal.com


Too much character development, and anti-hero, and porn...as if those are *bad* things.

I agree with the others that you're probably looking at a niche market, especially with the anti-hero.

From: [identity profile] babs6219.livejournal.com


Yeah...too much character development. Because God knows I'd never want to be involved in a character from the beginning of a story, or to understand the motivations behind a character's interaction.

He's an ass....I would buy this book...as a matter of fact, I need something like this...I need a new obsession to read and dream and lust about...and I did with this.

I love your writing, your detail, and the character development. You are awesome! Don't let it get you down...maybe his parents had the same last name before getting married and therefore he has 6 toes and isn't very good at his job.

From: [identity profile] aroshanda.livejournal.com

Help?


Why am I not able to read Mad World? Every time I click on the link to the story, it says that I "am not authorized" to view that page. Is it my computer or what? Just wondering if you could help me with that...

From: [identity profile] pepperlandgirl4.livejournal.com

Re: Help?


Sorry, I had to take it offline. Otherwise, no agent or publisher would touch it with a ten-foot pole.

From: [identity profile] aroshanda.livejournal.com

Re: Help?


Oh, I see. Well, good luck with the publishing, and if you're successful, maybe I can buy it and read it then!
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From: [personal profile] spikewriter


Okay, I'm going to swim against the flow here and offer up my view. This is a good rejection letter.

Correction, this is a fucking great rejection letter.

Agents are busy people with more crap coming across their desk than most of us would believe possible (and I mean "crap" literally). That he would take the time to stop and write that is a signal that he did feel your work had merit. Yes, he doesn't feel he can take you on as a client on the basis of Mad World, but notice the last sentence: I'd be interested to see other new work from you in the future. If you write something that he feels is marketable, I think you might have a possible agent.

I know it's disappointing, but this is definitely not a "please never darken my door again," letter and those are very rare indeed. Certainly better than the one I once got that simply had boxes to check off.

Hey, if he handles "women's fiction," maybe he'd be a good market for that romance novel.

From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/___confused/

this post is late... sorry


Mad World is my most favorite fic. I've recommended it to all my Buffy-fan friends. It's awesome. and I keep reading it over and over. Also I love 'Mad Brillant' it's my favorite fic of all fic i've read. I would so buy the book. Right now I just have it in a worn out folder, it's worn out cuz i take it everywhere so i have something to red. so i'm a mad world/mad brillant- addict. lol. but your a great writer. i hope to see a 3rd fic continution of Mad world. :D
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